Hi Just for how care's...... I just got it and first test on PIC24FJ128GA006 with a Program memory 26871 bytes programming in debug mode ICD 2 ---> 52 seconds ICD 3 ---> 4 seconds wow... it's fast Stefano -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist