> - Not sure which PIC you're using, but RA4 is generally an open collector That's what I was thinking and then spotted the type in the Subject a4 on the 684, and most late-model 16s, doesn't need a pull-up. I keep forgetting and add one out of habit, much to my slight annoyance ;-) -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist