When it comes to providing raw internet service TC are about as good as you can get in NZ. But, pray that nothing gos wrong, because whenit does they have no clues at all about how to behave well or fix things promptly. I use their service, and I stick with them because most of the time it just works and their data rates generally don't bod down nearly as much as almost eveyone else's when traffic is high. But when something goes wrong - and it does happen often enough to annoy, then you can be sure that you are in for an exciting and interesting time. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist