> It was a suggestion for the industry, not a specific business... That's the trouble with language: you can write down a sentence that is syntactically correct but has no meaning. 'the industry' is an aggregate, a summing-up. You can not suggest to an aggregate, an aggregate does not listen, and it certainly does not act. Only the parts that make up the aggregate can listen and act, and for them Olin's catch-22 works: they would probably love to create well-engineered, well-tested products, but in most area's they would be thrown out of business by quickly engineered, cheaply manufactured, crap products. -- Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist