> It's a bit sad that it has become less possible to "bootstrap" > yourself into microcontrollers based on your PC and parts from a junk > drawer, but... With $30 "real" tools (PicKit, Butterfly, Arduino, > "USB Sticks" from several vendors), it's really not necessary any more. except for some higher-end uC that have an USB bootloader (IIRC Atmel ARMs) But the package is not exactly newbie-frendly.. -- Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist