RE: "I remember some guys even refused QSO with HAMs using ..." I try to avoid individuals and organizations that practice exclusion. If they choose to exclude anyone for any reason I probably would not fit there either. However, I do believe in banishing troublemakers for the common good! John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke http://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tamas Rudnai" To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [OT]Microchip installers are annoying >> Even though >> it is in Morse Code there are free or cheap programs available that put > the >> text on your PC screen and send from the keyboard... Digital modes are >> thriving as well. > > I remember some guys even refused QSO with HAMs using the "speed key" (do > not know the proper name in English, where you have a key that sends > shorts > and longs automatically by pressing the button left or right). > > Tamas > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:22 PM, John Ferrell > wrote: > >> I am not certain about the rules in other countries. I understand that >> the >> code issue was an International Treaty condition that has since passed. I >> don't know of ANY code requirement for an Amateur License in the US. >> There >> rules change has had no discernable effect on the actual code activity as >> far as I can tell. >> If you go to the "Software defined Radio" group on Yahoo you learn about >> Transceiver kits that will talk to the world for less than $30! Even >> though >> it is in Morse Code there are free or cheap programs available that put >> the >> text on your PC screen and send from the keyboard... Digital modes are >> thriving as well. >> >> I will own up to being an "appliance operator" with my TENTEC Jupiter >> transceiver (Gasp! American made!) that has all of the features I could >> dream of for less than $2000 new. There was not much wrong with the two >> transceivers I sold on EBAY for less than $150. >> >> Things have never been better for Amateur Radio! >> >> John Ferrell W8CCW >> >> "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do >> nothing." -- Edmund Burke >> http://DixieNC.US >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tamas Rudnai" >> To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." >> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:53 AM >> Subject: Re: [OT]Microchip installers are annoying >> >> >> >> US Calls look a lot different nowadays. It is a great hobby and >> >> easier than ever to join. No Morse code required anymore! >> > >> > But that is true only for ultra short waves, is not it? I used to have >> > a >> > call sign in Hungary (HG5CAG) and had to learn morse code as well but >> > finally they did not ask it on the exam. Finally I got licence only for >> > ultra short waves and I was using it virtually only for packet radio - >> now >> > those 2m and 70cm frequencies are empty, no one wants to do that >> > anymore. >> > >> > 73, >> > Tamas >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 3:55 AM, John Ferrell >> > wrote: >> > >> >> That is my Amateur Radio Callsign. The W indicates the Country of >> >> origin >> >> is >> >> the US, The 8 is the 8th call district(Ohio, Michigan, West Virginia) >> and >> >> the CCW is the identifier. This style was the norm in the 8th district >> in >> >> the mid 1950's. I cannot recall for sure but I think it was issued to >> >> me >> >> in >> >> 1960 or 61. US Calls look a lot different nowadays. It is a great >> >> hobby >> >> and >> >> easier than ever to join. No Morse code required anymore! >> >> >> >> John Ferrell W8CCW >> >> >> >> "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do >> >> nothing." -- Edmund Burke >> >> http://DixieNC.US >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Andre Abelian" >> >> To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:07 PM >> >> Subject: RE: [OT]Microchip installers are annoying >> >> >> >> >> >> > John, >> >> > >> >> > What does W8CCW mean? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Thanks >> >> > >> >> > Andre >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: piclist-bounces@MIT.EDU [mailto:piclist-bounces@MIT.EDU] On >> >> > Behalf >> >> > Of John Ferrell >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:38 PM >> >> > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. >> >> > Subject: Re: [OT]Microchip installers are annoying >> >> > >> >> > It is not just MicroChip that follows this theme. Every package >> >> > seems >> >> > to >> >> > be >> >> > written with the idea that they alone run on the system. To further >> >> > complicate the issue it seems to be common practice to provide >> >> > little >> >> > or >> >> > no >> >> > written instructions, you are expected to point and click as though >> you >> >> > were >> >> > playing a video game to learn the rules... >> >> > I try hard not to be an early adopter anymore. I wait until some >> >> > kind >> >> > of >> >> > >> >> > experience base is available among the users! >> >> > >> >> > John Ferrell W8CCW >> >> > >> >> > "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do >> >> > nothing." -- Edmund Burke >> >> > http://DixieNC.US >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "cdb" >> >> > To: >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:43 AM >> >> > Subject: [OT]Microchip installers are annoying >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Ummed and arred on whether this should be OT or PIC! >> >> >> >> >> >> I've just received the Pic24 Starter Kit, Installed it to my >> partition >> >> >> that contains all things Electronics related, then realised that I >> >> >> now have 3 versions of MPLAB, C30 and C32, 2 versions of Mtouch, >> >> >> and >> >> >> duplicate copies of libraries, and documents all over the place. >> >> >> >> >> >> Why you may ask, well each of Microchips kits seem to think they >> >> >> are >> >> >> the only thing going to be installed, so there is no standard >> >> >> Microchip installation scheme performed by the installer, it >> >> >> doesn't >> >> >> even check for older versions of MPLAB etc and ask if they should >> >> >> be >> >> >> uninstalled. >> >> >> >> >> >> Obviously I can and will have to go through everything manually and >> >> >> sort it all out. 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