Vitaliy wrote: > > Define "beauty". If you can't, then how's your analogy useful? Not so, and at the risk of being chastised for being off-topic, I know it when I see it. Both have multiple dimensions in which it can be evaluated. One person's 'ugly' can be another's beautiful, and both are valid. That's the point. One finds more than 10 or 20 lines of code in a sub to be an 'ugly' sub, another may use a complex, difficult to articulate metric that combines many attributes of the sub in question before passing judgement. Opinions may, and often, change as the 'beholder' becomes more intimate with the object being assessed. The little grey haired old woman may never make the fashion mag cover, but as wife or mother, is the most beautiful person someone else knows. Others might use more simplistic metrics - the tan blonde in high heels and mini skirt might be beautiful, but the same person in rags and covered in mud isn't (or may be more so ;) ). Both areas are alike in that there are not hard and fast rules for judgement, only broad guidelines, the metrics can change with context and with person (judge), they can even change as more is known about the subject, people will endlessly disagree about the details and merits of both, and in the end, there is no 'universal' right or wrong, only opinion, even if there is consensus at certain times and certain situations. Another commonality seems to be that proponents of some particular viewpoint will assume it is 'the' metric by which the subject is or should be judged. -Skip -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist