> I'm not sure that one can trust the opinions of "computer scientists" > on some issues. Perhaps not enough of them are "good > *programmers*".) It seems to me that two of the most successful > languages (C and Basic) NEVER had much acceptance from academics. It > seems to be a favorite error (?) on their part to exclaim "this > structure is evil and a source of bugs; we must not permit our ideal > language to allow it at all!" without bothering to understand why that > structure is so common, or to provide a replacement. Bullocks. Like all specialisms, you can not trust just anyone who calls himself a "computer scientist" to tell you the final truth. But the general direction of computer languages was definitely influenced most by Algol60 (block-structure) and SIMULA (OO). Although it often took a major overhaul from the industry to make the fresh ideas into something workable. Look at a few contributions from the opposite side: FORTRAN, PL/1, ADA. Pity everyone who still uses FORTRAN. PL/1, anyone? ADA deserved a better faith, but also a much shorter definition. -- Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist