http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10053868-52.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.0 To me it is copying the Mii channel from Nintendo's Wii. But Microsoft apparently thinks different. Quote: "But Microsoft doesn't think it is copying Nintendo or anyone else. Rather, it takes the view that it is just adjusting to what the marketplace wants." Nice view. ;-) Anyway, this idea may not be that new so Nintendo may not have a patent on it so Microsoft is free to copy. Maybe another Wiimote like gamepad is also been working on somewhere in Microsoft's strong hardware division (IMHO Microsoft's mouse are of better quality than Logitech's based on our past experiences: two Logitech optical mice are dead now but all three Microsoft mice still work fine after up to 6 years of usage). Regards, Xiaofan -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist