For the devices I use at least, AVRs are vastly superior to Microchip's offerings in many respects. I generally use small package devices, most often 8 pin packages, and just on pure speed AVRs will do 4 times as many MIPs as the equivalent PIC. If you want to use the onboard clock, then double that advantage to 8 times! That's not to mention a superior register / instruction set which often means you can do with one instruction what might take 2 or even 3 with a PIC. Also better support for PWM in these packages. Can't actually think of a single advantage in fact to an 8 pin PIC over an equivalent AVR. Got no particular loyalty to one side or the other, and have in fact done a lot more with PICs than AVRs, and still have chips and development stuff from both, so just calling it as I see it. I would be very disappointed if 8 pin AVRs disappeared any time in the forseeable future - we're not talking about Microchip incorporating technology here, it would take a complete design change for PICs to compete at this level! On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Martin wrote: > alan smith wrote: > > Wasn't it Atmel just a few years ago was in serious management > > crisis? They sold off...or did they...the VoIP specific stuff. So > > what would ON retain, and what would MChip retain? Interesting the > > ON is now expanding into new areas. Maybe they would take the 8051 > > stuff, MChip retains ARM (rumor was they were doing an ARM core > > device anyway?) and integrates the serial memory into thier > > offerings, and AVR..wouldnt they just kill it? Why keep a competing > > device in the fold? > > > > One real reason is that if they just killed the AVR they'd have a lot of > pretty mad engineers - who would then be very mad at Microchip. > > One potentially true reason is (not intended to be flamebait) a lot of > the AVR parts are considered functionally better than similar PIC parts. > Interrupt tables versus vectors come to mind. They'll keep the parts as > "Microchip AVRs" for a while and then likely roll any good technology > into future parts (though uChip has come out with a LOT of good > technology in the past few years on their own) .. and then slowly let > the AVRs die out as they become "not recommended for new design" > > - > Martin > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist