http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=371134 This may be of some interests to people who like to use Visual Studio IDE as their PIC development IDE as well. You can now compile and link MPLAB C18 firmware and then program the chip using PICkit 2 all within Visual Studio IDE. But no debugging support is available. Xiaofan -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist