You have established this its a redistribution in binary form - no arguement. What about this at the end of that statement? "in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution." No matter WHAT you send to me (redistribution) ... you are going to have to include certain text in some accessable method. A PIC/LED flasher can't do it - so you have to provide documentation with it. The melody card would have to have it somewhere - probably on the back with the bar code. If you send the electronics to Hallmark for them to use, you provide the documentation to them - and its on them to take care of it for their redistribution step. >>> Wouter van Ooijen 30 Sep 08 17:36:32 >>> Eoin Ross wrote: > IANAL , and haven't read a lot of licences - but I don't read into it what you seem to be doing. > > The PIC does not reproduce it - you do it in docmentation and/or other material. > These extras must be with the package that distributes the code - be it a chip, circuit, device, or electronic file. Selling someone a programmed PIC is definitely redistribution in binary form. As I read it that redistribution must produce the required texts. This is clearly written with a splash screen and/or help>about menu option in mind. Sadly, no such thing on a keyfob or melody card. And where are you supposed to reproduce all those notices? On the melody card, printed on top of the photo of the lovely beach? For software to be seriously usable in a (deeply) embedded context you need a license without that clause. Note that it is not important what you read in it. What matters is what a judge *might* read in it (risk is on your side). -- Wouter van Ooijen -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist