Possibly the real-est 35mm camera (just) on the market http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos5dmarkII/ Full frame. 20 MP (too high, but what can you do) 1080 HD video inbuilt useable while taking 35mm shots. 'Almost proper' live view, at last. (Unlike SONY who brain-deadedly left it out of their new A900 because 'real people' don't use live view (auto / stick shift comparision) Up to ISO 25,600 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) (Expect 'some noise') Waterproof to "10 mm of rain in 3 minutes" ! :-) Does *NOT* include an integral vertical (a real plus) Audio (in a full frame DSLR) Optional WiFi/LAN/USB vertical grip. And rather more ... Canon's attempt to desperately leap the rapidly closing competition. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist