I bought one of these from ebay: http://www.bidservice.com/Browses/DHTML_PHOTOS.ASP?ProductID=13148&Mfg=MRSI&Mdl=501&InvNum=30063 for $1500, plus $600 to have it shipped to california, plus $350/mo for a workspace to put it in (its just not going to fit in a studio apartment.) Powered it up, haven't run anything yet. The 286-16mhz rackmount was upgraded to a 486-66. I'm going to replace the compy and their vision+control system (written in dos for that 286...no kidding...) with something custom, specifically to p&p from arbitrary cut tape. If anyone out there is thinking DIY for p&p, drop me a line. The vision system is the hard part, once I get the robotics going. Got lots of documentation and spare parts for the whole thing, altho programming the robotics is done via a basic-like language, unfortunately documented in french... :) a bit of an adventure. pololu stencils and a decent toaster oven (4 burners, with fan) has been working pretty well, my only complaint is I always have bridges on tssops. Would like to improve the pasting setup to avoid that. J Vitaliy wrote: > Ray Newman wrote: >> Still I should save up to buy my own SMT pick & place. > There has to be some surplus equipment for all the failed USA companies. > Wish I knew where to look.< > > I've been looking on eBay and Craigslist, there is lots of stuff available. > We have products that are starting to take too much time to assemble by > hand, but are too expensive to outsource. The trouble is, I've never worked > for a contract manufacturer (missed my chance at 16 -- declined a job > offer), and don't really know what to look for. > > What would be a good "starter" pick-and-place machine? > > Vitaliy > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist