> longer term purchases I usually spend a little more and get the > appropriate quality. Me too, although with the flood of imports it's getting hard to find quality alternatives. I can understand that - people are being indoctrinated/forced/deceived into accepting lower standards and a couple of extra $$ is enough to lose a sale. I've seen it happen, and tried my best, in vain, to convince the buyer that cheap is often false economy -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist