Peter wrote: > 'Illegal' (and non-tax-paying) work usually does not exist where wage > laws do not exist, and where workers can migrate freely (in *AND* out). I agree in principle with most of your post, but I think this is not correct -- however, I don't have any facts to cite, just a few observations and thoughts. In Brazil, there are many people informally "employed" below the official minimum wage -- and of course without the legal benefits that go with formal employment. I don't think that a substantial part of these workers would be formally employed (that is, receiving legal employment benefits) if there was no minimum wage. I don't even think that anybody would actually bother to formalize their employment if there weren't any legal benefits attached to formal employment. I also think that this is nothing really special about Brazil, but that it is symptomatic for any society with a large number of workers without a certain degree of general education. (As a side note, I think that income tax on the wages is a non-issue for the wages we're talking about. They are IME way below the threshold for paying income taxes.) So I have difficulty accepting this statement of yours. Do you have any examples or whatever else to show that this is in fact so? Is there actually a single example? (Let alone so many that one can rightfully use the term "usually".) Thanks, Gerhard -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist