Carl Denk wrote: > I still believe the valve failed first, and caused all the other > damage, Maybe, but remember the first symptom was overheating with no other apparent engine problems. The valve head breaking off would have caused immediate and sudden obvious symptoms. The engine would have sounded clearly different, not to mention the rattling, bangs, and knocking as the piston smashed the loose valve around and occasionally jammed it into the head, as the pictures clearly show happened. A head gasket failure could certainly have messed with where coolant went and caused overheating, perhaps even draining of the coolant enough to cause damaging overheating. It's possible that a already weak valve stem cracked from the additional stress caused by excessive heat and water getting into the wrong places. Vitaliy also mentioned steam coming out of somewhere when the engine was stopped. I wonder if that was possibly some crankcase vent. There would have to be a connection between the coolant channels and the crankcase for that to make sense, something a broken valve alone doesn't explain but a head gasket failure does. Another thing to consider: If there was enough water someplace to boil and come out as steam near the craft's water line, could the lake water have been sucked back in when the steam eruption was over? I think this is a reasonable possibility if the place where the steam came out was under water. The steam would have ensured that whatever cavity it was coming from was filled almost entirely by vapor phase water. All it takes is a little cold water getting back in, which cools some steam, which reduces the pressure, which sucks in more cold water, etc. I've seen this happen (not on a engine), and it's rather spectacular and happens very quickly. It's essentially a runaway process that ends with the cavity completely filled with liquid water, and can take less than a second depending on the size of the cavity and the size of the opening. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist