> | How often do you need to verify program memory at Vdd limits? > > ... like the $35 PK2 can? It can, but only when both extremes of Vdd are well below the voltage level of the USB but, which can be below 4.5 V. I would not call that a true 'production' grade programmer. OTOH, with a very limited interpretation of 'extremes', all target-powered programmers could be considered 'production' grade.... > as the definition Microchip used for "production > programmer" IIRC). It seems to me you'd have to go *very* cheap to find > a programmer that doesn't have variable-VDD capabilities. Wisp628/648? OK, maybe that is a cheap one :) but what about an ICD2? -- Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist