M. Adam Davis wrote: > I imagine Olin was targeting production programmer features > recommended by Microchip, such as flash verification at voltage > margins. That's one issue, but the PicKit2 also doesn't adhere to the PIC programming specs over the full range of legal USB voltages. Again, the PicKit2 is great as a low cost hobbyist level programmer, but you really don't want to use it where time and failures cost real money, loss of face, pissed of customers, etc. Note that Microchip itself calls the PicKit2 a "development" programmer. Their only current production programmer is the PM3. For the hobbyist that just wants to program and sometimes debug his hand built one-off PIC projects, the PicKit2 is a great value. Cutting corners for a few 10s of $$ on a programmer doesn't make sense in a professional situation, and certainly doesn't make sense in a production situation. > This takes extra production time, though, and I'm certain many > products are made without following proper 'production programmer' > guidelines. I'd expect that unless the failure rate was high then the > tradeoff would be acceptable, and given Microchip's quality, I expect > the failure rate is very low indeed. The failure rate is very low as far as I can tell, but the cost of field failures is very high, and not just in $$. I don't know of any production environment where it's not worth $45 to make sure the programming specs are followed and the units are tested with a little extra margin. > Suggesting a programmer might be suitable for production when it > doesn't follow manufacturer's guidelines for a production programmer > is shortsighted at best. Exactly. And if failure might result in legal liability problems, think of what the plaintiff's attorney would make out of you saving well under $100 and not getting a production programmer for a production job, even if that had absolutely nothing to do with the failure. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist