It very much depends on exactly what you're trying to state with your measurement. If, for instance, you wanted to say that your tempered glass, properly mounted, could withstand certain impacts you'd follow what most of the industry does and simply state that it can withstand the impact of a 1" diameter stainless steel ball from a height of 1 meter (or something similar depending of how good your glass really is). If you're talking about electronic components you'd usually mention that your product is capable of handling an acceleration, for instance it might work after being "hit" with an acceleration of 5,000 G's over a period of not more than 5 milliseconds, and 50G during operation indefinitely. The nice thing about G measurements is it removes the mass and point of impact from the equation - you get to figure those out based on the environment. This is useful if you're attaching your device to a car, for instance. In fact ECU modules experience greater impact dropping from a worker's hands and hitting a concrete floor than they do installed in the car and involved in a crash. There is no single unit that encompasses all of the factors you mention that I'm aware of, and if it exists it would really have a very narrow application and be prone to manipulation, much like the EPA mileage numbers. For instance, you couldn't make a number (neckles) that accounts for the particular deformation that occurs in both the glass and the ball that is linearly related between a steel ball and a copper ball. The copper ball, being less dense, would be larger and have a larger surface area for a given mass. Or trade that out for a lead ball which is more dense, and smaller, but deforms more readily. A single number couldn't account for all three types of contact. It's hard to compare apples to apples without a common measuring system, and most industries have developed standard test setups for their products, but you'll be hard pressed to find out if an electronic component can take the same blow as tempered glass merely by looking at the data sheets and converting both to this same magic neckles number. -Adam On 7/23/08, Tom=E1s =D3 h=C9ilidhe wrote: > > What kind of units do you use in physics to describe how hard a smack > something got, or how hard a smack something can sustain? > > I mean let's say you're selling tripple-glazed windows, and you're > marketing them as being "virtually indestructible". Your ad for them > might say that they can sustain a smack as high as 400 neckles. I'm just > wondering what a "neckle" would be? Would it be force? Or pressure? Or > impulse? > > Let's say there's a golf ball whose mass is 50 grams, and it's moving > through the air at 200 metres per second, and let's say it hits one of > these windows. > > Speaking more from human intuition rather than a knowledge of physics, > it seems to me that you've to take into account the following in order > to determine just "how hard a smack" the window got: > * The mass of the golf ball > * The speed of the golf ball > * The hardness of the golf ball > * The surface area of impact > > Well the momentum of the golf ball is 200 x .05 =3D 10 N s > > Let's say that the golf ball's made of titanium. Titanium has a hardness > of 6 on the Mohr's scale. > > I don't know how you'd calculate the impact surface area seeing as how > the golf ball is a sphere... hmm... but anyway, is there any sort of > unit that gives you an idea of how hard a smack something got? It's be > cool to be able to say "the helicopter crashed into the building with > 1700 neckles". > > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > -- = EARTH DAY 2008 Tuesday April 22 Save Money * Save Oil * Save Lives * Save the Planet http://www.driveslowly.org -- = http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist