Like a fool, I agreed to convert someone's scribble into a nice schematic drawing. How difficult could it be to conjour up some valve diagrams for my CAD program? A couple of Pentodes, Heptodes, Dual Pentodes, Diodes, Triodes later, I then realised , oops, some of these dual parts share a grid, others don't, some have a dual cathode, others don't, one is a diode with pentode, another is a pentode with dual diode. I think it probably took F.W. Cam, less time to draw a complete magazine's worth in 1920, than it has me drawign parts for a 21st century schematic program. If I'm ever able to pay the exorbitant price a certain IUM cad manufacturer charges, I'll expect it to have a complete set of valve parts included, then it'd be worth the money! Colin (F W Cam invented Practical Wireless magazine before it was PW) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vintage-Practical-Wireless-Magazine-January-1947 _W0QQitemZ290242631158QQihZ019QQcategoryZ934QQcmdZViewItem -- cdb, on 12/07/2008 -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist