Zik Saleeba wrote: > Radio control applications routinely push specs beyond their usual > limits to achieve acceptable flying weight. > (Ok, mass if you prefer... Gimme a break - > I'm a hobbyist!) Actually you were right the first time. In this case the relevant measure of what you have to lift is weight, since you're trying to work against the earth's gravity. If you were doing this on some other planet with the same surface atmosphere but half the gravity, you would still need to keep below the same weight but your craft could have twice the mass. If you can produce 60N thrust, your craft had better weigh less than 60N. That would allow its mass to be about 6Kg on earth, but 12Kg on this other planet. If you were flying your craft on the space station, then any amount of mass would let it fly. The thurst to mass ratio only dictates how fast it can accellerate on its own. And no, physics doesn't take a break for hobbyist. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist