> Separate LED's wouldn't really do the trick for the game I have in > mind Why not ? 2 SMDs will fit into less space than a 5mm dome, and you can use any colours you like. My assembler chose H150UR red for power and tick indicators and they're plenty bright enough to be seen with a light pipe -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist