Lots learned a lot over the past few days, and it really does seem that thermocouples (especially open-elements) are very very fast. Type T thermocouples are apparently the most accurate and available in two classes, with 0.5 deg-C error versions commonly available. But thermocouples need a lot (relatively) of support circuitry, especially since this is in an automotive application (measuring air temp at a couple points in the intake tract). 1sec to 2sec works fine, since this is a monitoring application, and 1% error would be nice, although a bit more would still be acceptable. Mounting (for the end-user) will be a major factor as well, so any basic element/component that needs to be PCB-mounted becomes less desirable, as I'd have to factor in the labor cost to build those to a user-friendly format ... and that's still be decided upon. I had missed the graphs with response time in those datasheets (LM35 etc) -- I was looking for electrical parameters. But checking back now, they're relatively quite slow. I found RTD's that are available in better than 1 sec response time using open elements, and they require minimal support circuitry. They also come mounted to a stem/flange/etc so end-user install is ready-to go. The problem is cost -- so far they're in the $35-$40 price range each (in 50-100pc quantities). I always thought that thermistors were not-so-accurate, but I've been corrected again it seems. I'm looking at various datasheets now in the 0.5% to 1% range, and they seem promising. Very low cost (<$1 ), and I'm working out a mounting structure to see just how much it would cost if assembled in-house. I also found some suppliers of thermistors in flanged probes, so I have some calls to make this week. Thanks, -Neil. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Fast-temp-sensor--tp18104658p18181248.html Sent from the PIC - [EE] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist