William Chops" Westfield" wrote: > We analyzed darlingtons in EE class. The second transistor never > gets into saturation and has Vce much higher than Vce(sat); I forget > the exact reasons, and I remember being rather ... stunned. Just look at it as two independent transistors and it should all make sense. Look where the base current of the second transistor comes from. It all comes from the emitter of the first transistor. And where does that come from? Mostly from the collector of the first transistor, which is also tied to the collector of the second transistor. Now add up the voltages required to keep the second transistor on. The base will need about 700mV. Even with the first transistor saturated, figure it will drop 200mV. So that means the output (the common collectors) needs to be at least 900mV to keep the whole darlington "on". ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist