> I haven't picked my LED's yet, but I know their Vf will be less > than 3V Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water ...... If you use PWM to drive the LEDs you may not need current- limiting resistors. Adjust the duty cycle to suit the supply voltage Up till now you've been talking about driving the LEDs with static or standing current. But LEDs have another parameter - peak repetitive current. This is in the order of a few amps for short pulses. What mostly kills an LED is watts. Too much V or too much I. By keeping W in spec you can take liberties with drive Two examples - Infra-red remote controls. To get distance, the IR LEDs are pulsed with high current. In the schematics shown below, 500mA. Current as DC that would fry them http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/joecolquitt/txless.html Moving signs. The LEDs in commercial units are strobed on a 12V or more power rail, and may have as little as a few 10's of ohms and draw significant current for short periods The trick is speed and persistence of vision -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist