> I'm a beginner hobbyist that aspires to make high-volume products :-D > If I can do it cheaper with PIC16F684 in conjunction with basic logic > chips like shift registers, then I'll consider it! Two comments: First, while you are a beginner you should probably focus on getting things to work, it is very unlikely that one of your current projects will, in its current form, ever make it to volumes that justify saving a few pennies. Second, when you ever want to engineer for cost, check very thoroughly where the cost is, you might be surprised. In your case, adding an extra chip will eat more PCB space, which is not free. I one did some overall cost calculations for a product. It was a military-grade communication box. IIRC 30% of the cost was in the housing itself, and a further 30% was in two connectors that required added metal shielding at the inside. This shielding had to be hand-folded. Only last 40% was in the electronics. Of this 40% a surprisingly large part was taken by the decoupling capacitors and pull-down resistors which were present in large quantities. The cost of these items was not so much in the components itself, but in PCB area and pick-n-place machine time. -- Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist