> There are plenty of projects where 6 and 8 pins are fine Yes, of course, I was just making the point that many micros are made with several alternate functions for each pin, which obviously keeps the pin count down. For the reasons you cited, sometimes we have to do the same (by adding our own h/w if necessary, eg the old RC method to make an ADC out of a digital I/O) > So even if a bigger PIC costs a little more than external hardware, > it will get the job done reliably with a lot less futzing around trying > to figure out why it doesn't work The total beginner (or anyone just unfamiliar with a particular chip) would be best advised to sample. I still have 4 DIP 4550 samples here that are used for prototyping. Some projects originally proto- typed with those chips have moved or are moving into SMT for production. A lot of 4 x 4550 is relatively expensive to buy from somewhere like RS and I'm very grateful that Microchip's sampling service is so generous I agree that if you have the luxury of excess pins or excess memory, there's little point, unless there is a particular end goal (whether it be a learning exercise or a need to consolidate pin usage so as to downsize), of cramping yourself with a too-small chip I'm working on something now that's based on an idea I saw in a magazine. In that article an F88 is being put through the wringer. Some clever pin multiplexing is being done, but given the amount of I/O needed it would have been better done with something like an 876 in the first place. I suspect that an F88 was chosen because it's one of the few PICs you can buy at retail level, in this part of the world anyway -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist