--===============0892501647== Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="gb2312"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by pch.mit.edu id m5K3C4fb001160 My impression of you is that your are highly intelligent and perceptive. = In=20 time you will find the success you expect. Do not lower your expectation= s=20 and you can achieve all that you are capable of. That will be much more=20 than you may think. Tenacity is the key, and patience goes along with it.= I=20 too was somewhat disappointed to see some of old Peking disappear. I will= =20 get back next year. I will spend most of my time in Beijing. Keep your=20 sights on your goals and work as though they are inevitable and they will= =20 be. Rich ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "gardenyu" To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: RE: [OT]:: Shanghai calling > I'm just having no advantage by speaking two languages, playing with=20 > schematics and layouts all day in my tiny dark office. I wish our produ= cts=20 > will be shipped to China and I could be some local product manager in t= he=20 > future. > > I've seen so many cultural conflicts happening in China throughout thes= e=20 > years, tradition, communist, capitalism.... Take Beijing as an example= ,=20 > many traditional houses and walls were destroyed, with modern stadiums = for=20 > Olympic Games built. It's really hard to tell which way is right, I gu= ess=20 > it's just some growing pains. > > > > >> From: rgrazia1@rochester.rr.com> To: piclist@mit.edu> Subject: Re: [OT= ]::=20 >> Shanghai calling> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:40:58 -0400> > It has been= my=20 >> experience that people are often ignorant of the things about > which=20 >> they are curious. It is sometimes challenging to be patient but it is = >=20 >> often the wise decision. I have spent many years traveling and a great= =20 >> deal > of time in China, I might add. I found that many Chinese had=20 >> preconceived > notions of America that were simply untrue. But I could= =20 >> understand why.> I have seen many changes in China over the years,=20 >> especially in Shanghai > and Beijing. But the same is true for other=20 >> Asian countries, time and > technology brings change. The fact that yo= ur=20 >> boss is "pure white" probably > has nothing to do with his curiosity. = He=20 >> has probably not taken the > responsibility for educating himself and=20 >> sees you as an immediate authority. > I take it as a sign of respect f= or=20 >> you. I found that learning Chinese was > valuable but I only le > arned Mandarin. I can only say a few words in > Cantonese. I was, in so= me=20 > ways, disappointed to see some of the very old > part of Beijing (Pekin= g)=20 > destroyed, but I suppose that is part of change. > You might advise him= to=20 > learn some of the basic characters and some basic > conversation with=20 > attention to proper tones. Unless he is going to do > business or inter= act=20 > with officials, he only needs basic conversation > skills. I think you=20 > have great advantages having Chinese language skills and > English skil= ls.=20 > I have little Chinese way back in my background. But I > grew up in=20 > America and did not learn Chinese until I decided to go to China.> >=20 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gardenyu"=20 > > To: "Microcontroller discussion list -=20 > Public." > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:02 AM>=20 > Subject: RE: [OT]:: Shanghai calling> > > >> >> > I'm from=20 > Shanghai,although been in US for years, my opinions may well > > worth=20 > looking at.> >> > My bo > ss ( a pure US white man) wanted to visit China, he kept asking me: > >= do=20 > you have enough hospitals? do you have church? etc. I always answer his= >=20 > > questions with a little "anger". What his impression on China is sti= ll >=20 > > somewhat "from film". But nowadays, you may still find many ancient = > >=20 > sightseeings like the Great Wall, but as to Shanghai, it is nothing > >= =20 > different from other metropolitans all around the world. Given days, yo= u >=20 > > may find that human nature is quite similar, maybe a little differen= t in=20 > > > habits only.You may find quite some pros and cons about China, but= =20 > take a > > little forgiveness, it's with a 1.5 billion population.> >> = >>=20 > > As to the sightseeing in Shanghai. I would say you will find many > = >=20 > architects realizing their dreams in China ( cheap labor!). If you are = > >=20 > standing on the west coast of The Bund, on your side is what called > >= =20 > "global exhibition", full of large buildings from different countries w= ho=20 > > > invaded Shanghai before, bu > t on the other end called "Pudong" across the > > river, you'll see all= =20 > those modern miracles, like a huge TV tower, a > > 88-storeys building,= =20 > etc. Ypu'd better arrive at night, the lights are > > just wonderful.> = >>=20 > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bund> >> >> > If you have time, go = have=20 > some good meals in Shanghai. We haven't had > > something called=20 > electrical engineering for thousands of years, during > > which we=20 > developed amazing cuisine styles. It is nothing like" sweet and > > sou= r=20 > chicken" and if you may spend just hundreds of bucks or pounds, > > you= 'll=20 > forget your "white bread" for the rest of life.> >> >> > Besides, Qingd= ao=20 > is famous for its beer and beach. And if you arrive at > > "Pudong=20 > international airport" in Shanghai, there is a Maglev outside who > >=20 > travels at 500 kilimeters an hour.> >> >> >> >> >> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 20= 08=20 > 00:21:26 +1200> From: apptech@paradise.net.nz> > >> Subject: [OT]::=20 > Shanghai calling> To: PICLIST@MIT.EDU> > I'm off to China > >> > Saturday evening (45 or so hours from now) > for one week> Only an > >>= =20 > internet away ... :-). Qingdao. Hotel internet is > good.> > I'll be > = >>=20 > passing through Shanghai on the way back.> No other opportunities for >= >>=20 > touristing as my wife assure me > that I'm meeting the rest of the fami= ly=20 > > >> in Brisbane to start > a long planned holiday.> I'm transiting=20 > between > >> the two airports with a major aim of > riding the high spe= ed=20 > maglev > >> "Bullet Train" - probably the > fastest I will ever travel = on=20 > land (or in > >> this case JUST off > land).> > Apart from that, what c= an=20 > I see most > >> worthwhilely in > Shanghai in about 2 hours. 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