>>> Didn't you even BOTHER ... >> I am flabbergasted ... > You can SAY ... > I didn't know what 'locum' meant either... > I'm sure all the n00bs ... I hope that we are all yelling at each other with our tongues variably firmly in our cheeks and are all learning a bit from each other even as we expound our points. I am. Or, I am trying to. I knew what I was saying when I said it, and I knew I'd get some reaction, but I do somewhat regret not having softened it down a bit to get a bit more of a wry response than a heated one. I did think the 'locum' line was quite good (regardless of whether it was :-) ), but I certainly didn't foresee the aggro that would grow from it. My sincere apologies. I suspect that it does indeed give at least some sort of insight into the newby question asking scenario where after only a few exchanges we are all yelling fairly loudly about the framework rather than the content. Not that there is too much content here. Ah - I see this has a PIC tag. I don't know if there will be a felt need to respond to any response to this but if I do respond again it will be with an OT tag. Others may use whatever tag seems best to them. I really would like us to be able to find a middle ground on this. I certainly don't approve in encouraging lazy behaviour and I do approve of encouraging people to learn how to use the resources. But I do also feel that those with thicker skin and more experience of being brutalised have little idea of how bruising it can be to have people descent on them from a height. Wouter's flabbergastion is probably felt by many a beginner who HAS trolled (meaning 2.3) through the various data sheets and then asked a question that appears unresearched and suffered a royal carronade. Whatever. I learn a little each time we do this. I don't want to keep doing so until I'm 100 :-). regards Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist