> I considered pond pumps but that would require controlling 240v > device, which I could do but slightly complicates the setup You can get DC versions but they are quite a bit more expensive. I don't have the specs to hand but know that they don't use a lot of power so even a small relay would do for control > and most of the ones I saw made it difficult to connect to the inlet, > ie they needed to be submerged Yes, they do need to be submerged when running, but not necessarily in the water you want to move. The pump can be mounted in a separate smaller tank, connnected via a U-bend (so the pump tank doesn't drain) to the main tank > The $20.00 ones only had a head height of about 1 meter not sure > if that would do the trick ISTR I paid NZ$29.95 for a 2300 model and that's got quite some pumping power to over 2m with a 25mm pipe -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist