James Nick Sears wrote: > If I'm the > only one who thinks the attitude toward beginners here is a little > much and needs someone pulling in the other direction, then I'm > clearly in the wrong place and I apologize and will move on to a > different community that actually values people who are trying to get > things done with technology, and not only people who are obsessed with > the technology itself. I haven't seen any "bad" attitude toward beginners in this thread at all. If someone wants advice on getting the maximum speed from an '887, well as far as I can see, this has been a very useful discussion (e.g. I've never used a canned oscillator, and may not have considered the downsides that Olin mentioned). There was clear advice that, if you want maximum speed, an external RC circuit is a bad way to go. I guess what you object to is the answer to "which pin do I use" was "look in the data sheet". Yes, people want to get things done, but to be able to answer that question, you don't have to be "obsessed with technology". Almost all of us would have to go and look that one up. Why should I (for example) take the time to look it up on behalf of the OP, and present the complete answer on a platter? What is wrong with saying "here's where you find that info, go get it"? It's not asking them to find anything obscure at all - it's right there, in the section on oscillators, with a simple diagram showing a resistor and a capacitor. Are you really saying that, if you "just want to get things done", you shouldn't ever be expected to look anything up for yourself? David Meiklejohn www.gooligum.com.au -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist