One perfect application for TL431 is replacing a few lines of code and some comparators and/or AD inputs for monitoring precisely the PIC supply value in portable applications. It's what I named "oldest but goldest". Like LM723, ICL7107 and a few other components without age and without aging. :) Vasile On 6/10/08, Richard Prosser wrote: > Jinx, > > The TL431 is likely to be much more temperature stable than the LM7805 > and should be lower noise also. Also much more consistent between > samples. > I've used the TL431 several times and while it's not perfect, it > meets my requirements over -10 to +70C. Just use resistors with good > temp coefficients! > > RP > > 2008/6/11 Jinx : > >> Use the AD reference at 4V or so. Where do you get inexpensive 4V > >> or so reference? > >> TL431 or LM431 > >> Specifically, in any PC power suply there is one. > >> How many do you have in your basement ? I think I have hundreds... > > > > I have access to thrown-out 48V Nokia PSUs and each one has a > > control board with a dozen TL431. I haven't tried one as a voltage > > reference source though. The 4.096V references I looked at were > > a little expensive (although I didn't shop around), so I should include > > a TL431 in the next round of experiments then > > > > Currently I'm using a jacked-up 78L05 to make 5.12V for Vref for > > several boards. It's quite easy to set with a couple of fixed resistors > > and a trim-pot. If I continue to use that it'll need testing to make sure > > it's stable from say -10C to 40C. The case is heated a little by the > > PSU so temperature probably won't go too low > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > > View/change your membership options at > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist