Hi James, all.

I think, (and I'll keep it brief), that there should be a third option....

unmoderate Olin and then treat him like everyone else (just like he has 
wanted all along), so that if (when) he insults or belittles he gets 
booted again and has to go through the moderation cool-off period all 
over again.

I have been booted from piclist before, and the process for me was 
clear, simple, and effective. Banned outright for a period after which 
you can, if you want, sign back up, but be subject to a moderated period 
for 'a while'.

I think such an option for Onlin would be what would be applied to 
'anyone'. The expectation is that behaviour/actions that led to his 
banning would cease.

In other words, I think that if Olin wants to be treated like everyone 
else he needs to behave like everyone else. I am all for giving him 
every opportunity to mend bridges.

On the other hand, I don't believe the status quo is the right solution 
either. I don't believe he should be permanently moderated, and at the 
same time, I don't believe I want to 'sanction' his behaviour by 
'voting' to unmoderate without conditions.

There needs to be a 'Unmoderate for now but then enforce the same 
standards that you apply to everyone else'. It is up to Olin then to 
'earn' his subscription just like everyone else who has managed just fine.

The blade cuts both ways... if he wants to be treated like anyone else, 
he has to behave like everyone else.

Can you make an option OLIN_LetHimTryAgain   ???

Rolf

James Newton wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> Jake Anderson Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 06:16
> <SNIP>
>   
>> "King" James does an admirable job of keeping the peace amongst the serfs 
>> without any of the power tripping usually associated with a position of
>>     
> power...
>
> I'm not sure I can honestly agree with that. I'm human. I have some tiny
> power, along with the other admins, on this list and I'm sure I've abused it
> one time or another.
>
> But I have this funny theory about governments: They are all democracies.
> The ones that aren't democracies are democracies where the ruler has
> abdicated. 
>
> And that is a good lead in to the vote I think we are ready to take:
>
> mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com&subject=OLIN_Moderated
> mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com&subject=OLIN_UnModerated
>
> One vote per member please. I will tally the results after a week, and
> present only the totals. 
>
> And I will, of course, follow the result. 
>
>   

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