You know, years ago, I was rather upset at how the moderator of the AVR discussion list was treating me, and several other people. I started up my own list. That list is now "avr-chat" on yahoo, has thousands of members, and is doing quite well. Perhaps Olin, you shoud start your own list? -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist