On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 10:14 -0400, Olin Lathrop wrote:
> content to the list.  Once every few 100 messages I may say something that
> wasn't PC enough for James.  He then deals with it poorly, which sometimes
> causes a ruckus, then he blames the ruckus on me.

I've mostly been keeping myself out of these "exchanges", but from time
to time I feel I do need to add something.

Frankly Olin, I am very disturbed by one facet of your apparent
attitude: you often blame the victim. 

It's like a person driving on the highway, cutting someone off, which
causes a multi car pileup, and then claiming "well I didn't do anything
THAT bad, they shouldn't have been driving that fast anyways".

The fact of the matter is (and I don't believe even YOU can deny this):
your posts in the past have sometimes lead to a "ruckus" on this list.
As admins, this is what we aim to avoid, as much as is possible.

Despite this, you pretty much NEVER see any blame on your side, and
instead either blame the victim of your assaults (it was a stupid
question, they are too sensitive, they should grow up, do you realize
how disturbing such an attitude is?), or now you blame James for
"mishandling" the response to your assault (this one floors me, since
invariably James or I or any of the other admins have usually only
stepped in when the ruckus was already on it's way to becoming a riot).

Is there ANY chance that you can see, that whether or not you or I or
James or another admin believe your posts are wrong: they DO inflame,
they DO cause a ruckus, they HAVE caused valuable contributors to leave,
and that, at least in a small part, YOU share some responsibility for
that?

Are you capable of seeing that Olin? If not then I don't see why
ANYTHING should change. The list has been running GREAT these past few
months. Our work was almost zero at times. 

And with that said, unless there is something someone feels is really
important to add (if so please keep your response short), please
continue this discussion offlist, it has consumed enough of the lists
resources and I don't believe anyone can be convinced it will go
anywhere useful from here.

TTYL
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