Let me say at the outset here I am definitely not here 
yelling at CC, turning red in the face or waving my arms in 
the air. Rather I am, as it were,  sitting by a nice roaring 
winter fire (wet cold rainy here) and discussing the finer 
and not so fine points. We may even manage to agree at some 
point :-) :

Lay on -

> Olin is not wrong....

No.
He is, or was, wrong.
There are rules.
Regardless of whether he thinks they are a bit of a variable 
feast, and even if they have moved somewhat, or not, the 
problem is not that he falls afoul of them unawares but that 
he INSISTS (I'd use bigger capitals but that would need 
ASCII and someome may complain) that what he does is bothe a 
good idea AND (big CaPs) that he should be allowed to. Both 
points are moot and both are irrelevant. Even if he were 
right [tm] he is NOT allowed to, he's been told he's not 
allowed to, he insists (still) that he should be allowed to 
and he fell on his sword and died. He may be very 
princiaplled but he's dead.

> he has a style.  His style says a lot about
> him.

Irrelevant. He can have all the style he wishes. So can I. 
So can you. But if the style transgresses the dress code and 
we are told repeatedly that it does then we too will die. It 
may take longer or shortyer but Olin kept chipping away at 
it until he got it right.

I agree that sometimes hje was given less rope than I would 
have expected and that even the offence on occasion MAY have 
been questionable, but when you are on your 9th life it's 
probably worth just letting a stupid lazy Enblish-incapable 
newbie alone for others to sort out. Walk away walk away ... 
.

> It is very easy to selectively ignore Olin,

That's OK if you are stupid and old and thick skineed like, 
er, me, and maybe others nearby :-) - but some really aren't 
like that.
***Which is irrelevant ***/
BECAUSE
> especially if he
> announces at the beginning that his post is not an answer; 
> it is a
> lecture on manners.  Maybe we could even have a tag that 
> indicates
> the post is mainly about RTFM.

It's not his job, he's been told it's not his job, he knows 
its not his job, he knows what will happen if he makes it 
his job, but he cannot help himself.

I resemble that ! :-) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just not so badly in this particular area. I can sympathise 
with Olinj being like this in this area because part of me 
is like tghat too. But in quite different areas. But he 
happens to be like this in this area and tghe wages of sin 
is death and he died.


> Anyone who reacts to Olin has revealed their own 
> personality.

May or may not be true.
But, again, entirely irrelevant. Olin, and you, and me, are 
not allowed to bollock stupid lazy over-reactive newbies. OR 
people clearly showing a degree of mental instability. Or 
people who are borderline suicidal. It's a condition of 
belonging to the list that we don't do this. And in the day 
that we doi it we can expect to die. He did. He did.

> Some
> people understand that being defensive is a waste of time.

Moot.

> Others  consider it crucial to defend themselves.

"understand" and "consider" there are interchangeable. The 
statements are subjective and depend on one's personal 
interpretation of the "right" way to behave.

> Olin is not responsible
> for other people's reactions,

He is if they react to his rudeness, as he's not allowed to 
be rude. "Rude" being defined by the Admins. .

> especially if he prefaces his remarks
> with a warning when the post is RTFM.

He is if they react to his rudeness, as he's not allowed to 
be rude. "Rude" being defined by the Admins. .

>
> cc


    RM 

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