Hmmm. The line is usually easy to get to from behind the light. The bulb itself is usually accessible for replacement, and in reverse would power up then down (in case you wanted to share the housing). There are probably various ways to get at those. HOWEVER, it may be easier, and grandma (maybe grandpa at least) friendlier to provide a small rectangular magnet with a pair of clips and double sided tape to attach to either column or floor shifter, and a reed switch or hall sensor with double sided tape and the wires for the base around the shifter. Chances are a thin, black twisted pair will be aesthetically OK and the run to your electronics will be to somewhere in/on the dash or console so fairly short, and routable and hidden along the way. You could provide an 'install mode' on the electronics where they would position the magnet near the bezel, and then position the magnet while in park, reverse, or such (Park makes more sense this way). The 'box' would light an led when it 'saw' the sensor and all was fine with the position. They then just press and stick it in place. Installed! If using the Park position, it's just a variation in the signal but same state idea. Cedric Chang wrote: > in the car without opening any door. A rare condition most likely. > > Good idea, DS. What is the easy install method for detecting "park" ? > cc > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist