The real benefit to the brake drum (disk) windmill is just that it costs perhaps $150 to build, more or less .. The core of the alternator you show surely costs at least $300 (+/-50%) The brake drum alternator is also "optimized" to output substantial current at 500 RPM or less. You need a lot of magnetic force to do this. There hasn't been anything new done to motors in 100 years, yes I'm trolling, but honestly the only new thing is nicer materials and different methods of commutation. - Martin Apptech wrote: > > This alternator > > http://others.servebeer.com/misc/alternator.jpg > > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist