I also have the pinout problem sometimes. I use two solutions: for large qty and board design, get the datasheet. For one offs, often from the junkbox, *always* check with a DVM that has a transistor testing socket. The transistor cannot be destroyed by putting it in backwards in a transistor tester and you also get a true reading of beta as a bonus. Beta under 5 means it's in backwards. Normal readings are >50 and can reach hundreds. A DVM with transistor test starts from about $15. Finally: there are TO92 parts with the same part number, from different manufacturers, with *different* pinouts (e.g. normal BC547 with injected epoxy body, and ultra cheap BC547 with 'filled' body). *Never* trust the datasheet, always check the actual parts to be used, especially before sending out the board design ... Peter -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist