>  I am not sure I understand your definition of 
> "libertarian".
> I am not a libertarian.  I am close though.  I never 
> thought I was
> "raving" but in retrospect, yes, I probably do rave about 
> the
> sanctity of property rights.

I didn't mean that all libertarians, or indeed all 
communists, were raving - I only used the extreme versions 
of them as examples of the outside edges. ie both want all 
your property for someone else :-). I'm aware that that's 
not a fair view of a general libertarian position. In fact a 
thinking libertarian position can sound quite reasonable to 
me (even though I would not be consistently seen as being 
one). I'm a raving everything :-). I TRY to adopt what seems 
right and fair and reasonable 9choose any 3) from all going 
positions. And probably fail miserably often enough ;-).

> I also think you have a different definition of 
> "capitalist" than I
> do.   I believe capitalists are all for using their 
> capital to create
> additional profits but historically I don't see them as 
> great
> defenders of universal property rights.  Only their own 
> property rights.

I don't think I disagree with the more general 
understandings of what a capitalist is. I only 'complain' 
when people wish to narrowly define what someone else's 
capital is so that they may steal capital from them. Which 
tends to be what happens when GPL type stuff is involved. 
Some people who in one forum will defend to the death 
people's right to their own property, will in another seek 
to limit how some other people may choose to use their 
property. BTW - I'm not saying that you do this. You may for 
all I know ;-) - but I don't know. I have read submissions 
to a US Congressional inquiry from large US software makers 
who say that Linux is anti-American explicitly because it is 
free. I understand their point - but think that they are 
being selective in their definitions of capital and their 
understandings of rights of ownership.



        Russell

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