>* Wildest may have been when our car left the road on a >gravel road during a car trial after adopting increasingly >violent weavings that showed no sign of being overcome. >Rolling was going to happen sooner or later so leaving the >road and flattening a fence was a good choice. Was it a front wheel drive car? I have had this happen a couple of times in an Austin 1300 GT I once owned, and the problem occurs when you get one wheel off the road surface onto a (relatively) slippery surface, such as grass. The other wheel then causes the one on the slippery surface to rotate backwards, and the person steering then has a wild ride. The solution is to apply sufficient power that both wheels are being driven by the motor, and there is no motion transmission back through the differential. Your story with the trailer reminds me of an incident I had with carrying the aforementioned Austin on a car trailer, the towing vehicle being a Triumph 2000. The trailer that I had hired had the wheels too far forward for the length of trailer, and it was too easy to get the load improperly balanced - but I didn't know that at the time ... Anyway I had the car on the trailer, and was proceeding from Petone foreshore towards Wellington - thankfully late enough in the evening for there to be very few cars around. Now to come from the foreshore you come over a bridge that carries you over the railway, and i suspect this was the first part of my undoing. The whole car and trailer started fishtailing down the ramp onto the level piece of road - three lanes wide narrowing to two, and then opening to three again at the far end of the straight which was the best part of a 1/2 mile long, possibly more. The whole incident ended with the trailer going sideways into the solid concrete median barrier, and the car being at sufficient angle in its fishtailing that only the rear corner hit the barrier. This collision was enough to bring it all to a halt, and allowed me to collect my thoughts before moving off again. The damage was minor really, a small amount of panel damage to the rear quarter of the car, the bumper required replacing, and the towbar was badly twisted, but not that bad that I couldn't carry on my way from the scene. I proceeded the rest of the way home at a much more sedate pace, thankful that there had been no other traffic around to get mixed up with. If there had been other vehicles around it could have been quite a trail of destruction. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist