Usage: non production need, general R&D, repair and hacking purposes. Is there another open source programmer around? or better one with USB support? I got 2 type of universal programmers. The higher quality one is normally quite expensive to maintain, I have 2 needhams basically sitting idle now. Their software update is also not as fast as the Chinese made programmer I have (runfei.com.cn) . But runfei website is having some problem. Along the way, I also made various type of programming adapters for different needs. To protect the investments on future adapters, as well as to benefit from the flexibility of an open source programmer, I thought an open source programmer with its increasing library and longer lifetime should be more useful. Comments? Cheers, Ling SM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist