>> if you are a hobbyist student or just a smart kid >> and you want to play electronics in your garage or in your basement, >> what experiments would be interesting for you ? In college I was rather disappointed to discover that the EE lab courses were rather unlike the sort of "experiments" I would have been interested in; they were more about learning to use relatively standard equipment to measure characteristics of relatively "standard" circuits, which you assembled exactly as shown in some book. Sigh. I guess it was vaguely interesting to see the transistor curves actually plotted and looking like the plots in the theory texts, but ... there was no EXPERIMENTATION. (Chem and physics labs were like this too. Logic circuits (a CS class at the time) were a bit, but not much, better.) So I'd LIKE to see something like: Here's a switching power supply. Look at these interesting waveforms. Now lets change the inductance here by a factor of five or so and see how things change. See this cap here? It's supposed to make the transistor switch faster; watch what happens when we remove or change its value. And gate capacitance is something to worry about; lets connect this cap in parallel with the gate so we can actually see what happens... Digital-wise, I liked building more complicated circuits out of MSI. My more memorable projects include shift registers made from JK and D flipflops (LED chaser!), debounce circuits, etc. I had a proposal afoot to turn obsolete computers into useful lab instruments. http://www.instructables.com/id/%5bIdea%5d-Turn-an-obsolete-PC-into- an-Electronics-Eng/ You know: Add some meters and a current limiter and tap the power supply, use the audio out as a signal generator, using the audio in as a scope, parallel port as a simple logic analyzer. All stuff that's been done, at least one at a time, but with a unifying GUI that put it all together. I still think it would be neat, but "obsolete computers" are quickly some of the useful components. BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist