Apptech wrote: > I'm trying to understand flat-plate lift well enough to > model "bent flat plate" vertical axis wind turbines. While I > started off thinking that these were a trivial or simplified > version of a Savonius Rotor it appears that they are a > combination lift and drag machine. It's not clear what machine exactly you are referring to. It is possible to use flat plates in a pure drag design, like my idea explained at http://www.embedinc.com/wind. Most of the literature I looked at automatically assumes that lift is somehow inherently better than drag, but I don't think that is true and I haven't seen any justification for it. I think lift was probably shown to be better than drag for a particular application, and the conclusion has stuck but the specific constraints forgotten. Lift designs can intercept more wind area than drag for the same airfoil area, but that is just one of many tradeoffs in wind turbine design. One advantage with drag designs is that the parts move slower than the wind and therefore don't pose a hazard to birds. The optimum power point for a flat plate getting pushed straight downwind is 1/3 the wind speed. A commercial group is trying to build a wind farm in Nantucket Sound off the coast of Massachusetts, and the NIMBY crowd (even though it's miles from the nearest back yard) are trying to squash it on the basis of birds getting killed, so this is more a issue than it might appear at first. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist