M$ gives free (as in beer) development tools, not free (as in building on existing code) applications. They are leveraging the "free programmers (as in slaves)" side of open source without supporting the "free programmers (from rewriting code again and again)" side. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the EULA for all of those tools specifies that the code developed using them may not compete with M$ and may not be used to work on open source code that may compete with M$. -- James. -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Ammerman Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 21:59 To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [EE] Freeware development tool. You said "freeware" Would you believe Microsoft? Microsoft VB.Net, Express Edition Microsoft C#, Express Edition For a terrific, powerful, underlying database: Microsoft SQL Server, Express Edition. No flames please :-) -- Bob Ammerman RAm Systems -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist