Alan, As I stated below, I use Assembly most of the time. I would say that I use assembly in 95%+ of the projects I code. There are very few I use an HLL for. And when I do the only reason is that the customer demanded it. For anything I do for myself, or anything I do for hire that doesn't have an HLL demand with it, I do in assembly. And yes, this includes LCD programming. Both character and graphics. It is sometimes tedious, but I usually use only 2 or 3 different graphics LCD panels, and have most of the common routines developed for them over the years, so it really isn't that much of a problem. And just in case someone asks, I probably won't share them unless there is a compelling reason for me to, because I have spent a lot of time and energy in developing the routines I use, so I don't want them to get into widespread use right now. If I did, then there wouldn't be as much need for my time and expertise. Sort of like shooting myself in the foot so to speak. Anyway, to answer your question, yes, there is at least one person I know of that uses assembly for almost everything he does. And that person would be me. Maybe I'm making more work for myself, but I prefer assembly language over BASIC, C, and any other HLL for PIC's. There just isn't the vast amount of memory in PIC's that a lot of PC's and other SBC's and uC's/uP's have to make it worthwhile using HLL's. At least that's the way I feel. YMMV. Regards, Jim -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of alan smith Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:54 AM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: RE: [Ad] - WIZ C PIC Compiler Professional,free and full versionsupgraded to version 15 I tend to agree....some things just beg to be done at a HLL. Graphical displays and higher level communcation protocols are two that come to mind. I can't see doing large bit mapped using ASM....or.....are there some doing that now? PAUL James wrote: Bob, This probably isn't what you want to hear, but I still contend that HLL's for PIC's aren't the great thing they're cracked up to be. I use Assembly most of the time. However, once in a while, I get a contract that requires an HLL such as C or BASIC. I can, and do, use these two languages occasionally, but I don't use them if I don't have to. And even when I do use them, I don't much like it. However, that's just me. I have nothing against anyone who wants to use an HLL once in a while, or even all the time for that matter. With all of that said, I have tried several C's and BASIC's over the years (about 17 years or so with PIC's), And I tend to like the Mikroelektronika C and BASIC. They support virtually every function that the others Do, plus you can use libraries written in the other languages published by them in your projects. I haven't purchased one of them yet because the demo has been all I need so far. But if I buy another HLL for the PIC's, it will be this company's products. They have a good price, good support, and frequent updates. All in all, a good value for the money from where I stand. As an aside, I can't figure out how you can buy one compiler for $800.00+ dollars and another for less than $200.00, And they both work equally well, or the lower cost one is better in some respects. I don't worry too much about this though since I don't really use HLL's anyway. It was just a thought I had While compiling this response. Have fun deciding which compiler to go with. There are so many now that it boggles the mind. Regards, Jim -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Axtell Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:37 PM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [Ad] - WIZ C PIC Compiler Professional, free and full versionsupgraded to version 15 Robin, I am looking for C compilers. 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