Rich wrote:

> There is a saying that I recall about trying to convince people to change 
> their position on matters they hold close.  It goes like this:  "A man 
> convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."  I have found it 
> to be quite accurate.  Yes, Gerhard, you are right on, "the PIClist is one 
> of the least suited places to convince people."

Rich,

I just wanted to set this straight (not sure you already read Vitaliy's
response that also corrected this): it was Wouter who wrote what you
attributed to me, and my opinion is that while this may or may not be true,
it's immaterial because for me the objective is not convincing someone but
to gather good arguments and have my arguments poked.

FWIW, below is a short history of this subthread.

Gerhard

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[Wouter]
>>>> In my experience the PIClist is one of the least suited places to
>>>> convince people. So for all proponents and opponents of GW actions,
>>>> NuclearEnergy, Iraq war, etc: why post here at all? Most PIClisters
>>>> have a firm opinion on these matters, which your post won't change.
>>>> So why not take your writings elsewhere, [...]?

[Gerhard]
>>> Depends on what you want from a discussion. I don't want to convince
>>> people, I want to hear what good arguments people have who don't share
>>> my opinion. This is a good place for this.

[Vitaliy]
>> Agreed. 
>> 
>> And FWIW, discussions on this list have changed or strongly influenced
>> my opinions on various subjects. Wouter's suggestion that the PICList
>> consists of mostly closed-minded people is incorrect, IMHO. 

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