>> My Vauxhall / GM Astra has an electrical power steering pump, lose >> that >> and I can't turn the wheel.... Is that counted as drive by wire? > >You CAN turn the steering if the pump fails, it just takes a lot of >effort. The same with servo assisted brakes, you need good leg muscles >to stop the car without the engine running, but it is possible. Yes, it is an interesting experience to have your foot on the brake, and turn the engine off, while the car is on a slight slope. You feel the brake pedal get steadily harder to push as the vacuum bleeds away, and you try to stop the car rolling. Typically when driving at highway speed the loss of power steering will be barely noticeable, it will really only effect the amount of effort you need to put into the steering at low speed. Does act as a form of 'fail safe' by making you rather nervous about starting off again after it fails. I hadn't heard of using electric pumps for PS before, I guess it simplifies the factory installation of a heap of engine options that smaller cars seem to have these days, by not requiring the pump to be mounted on the engine. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist