> That said Xiofan, you didn't answer my question: where does it end? I think (as others have pointed out) that a split between Electrical Engineering and other engineering would conveniently separate the current EE traffic. Maybe also split engineering from science, but I admit that would be more difficult to define. In my experience the PIClist is one of the least suited places to convince people. So for all proponents and opponents of GW actions, NuclearEnergy, Iraq war, etc: why post here at all? Most PIClisters have a firm opinion on these matters, which your post won't change. So why not take your writings elsewhere, or devote your energy to technical (!= scientific, whichever definition you might use for that) issues? Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist